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Excellent article. Never been to your blog before, referred from Polipundit. looking forward to visiting frequently. Josh

I ran a spreadsheet figuring out what the 75% or so of the ss payments that go to retirement would have made if I had invested it in TIAA/CREF. (I'm lucky to have been able to invest in this program.)

Comaring the historical returns for TIAA itself, and TIAA/CREF results in the bond market and stock market, I could have purchased an annuity that would pay me 2 times, 2.5 times and 3 times the SOcial security return respectively.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, if I die today, my family would get retirement benefits worth diddly. Were that money invested, I would leave my family REAL investments (not government IOU's,) worth between $400K to $600K.

Great post!

Personally I'm just going to stick my money in a Vanguard target retirement account and let them sort it out. :)

Another point about the Los Angeles Times article: the main professor stated (I think it was Markowitz) noted that he made a big mistake by NOT PUTTING ENOUGH MONEY INTO THE STOCK MARKET at a young age, and investing in too many conservative bonds. Hmm. This seems like a case for MORE personal financial control (and potential for higher risk), NOT less. Let's see - either the "ultimate" in low-risk, low-return, enforced investment (Social Security), OR leeway to invest throughot one's career - and especially at a young age - in higher-risk securities. Seems like Markowitz would advocate the latter plan, though his self-admitted "mistakes" seemed to have no relevance to the Times' writer besides an indication of fallibility on the part of an "investment great." (Gee...who ever heard of perfect market theory, anyway?)

Err...efficient market theory, that is.

I think private accounts are probably a good idea, and I certainly don't think the American people are idiots...but I do worry that too many people lack the basic knowledge and conceptual framework needed to invest successfully. For example, Mobius Stripper (http://talldarkandmysterious.ca) reported a while back that most of her college math students are unable to grasp the concept of compound interest: one of them thought that $100 compounded for 5 years at 5% would turn into $2000, or something equally ridiculous.

It's true that there are index funds and such, but one needs a certain minimal knowledge level to even be able to choose from the alternatives rationally.

Frank Borger's comment is especially interesting when you consider that TIAA/CREF has a track record that many financial advisors (especially CFPs) literally laugh at. So, a laughable private sector track record can take 3/4 of the investment and still return 2-3 times as much as the government. Think what the good ones can do.

Gosh, David's right. Now I'm worried about all those people making poor choices in buying houses, choosing schools, and choosing careers that can earn money. People screw up that stuff all the time too!

Nice post. I'm a CFP and earn my living helping people make intelligent planning and investment management decisions. Investing is serious and complex business but it should be put in the hands of the individual to do on their own or with the professional of their choice. The notion that government knows best how to invest *your* money is absolutely absurd.

It's not about money; it's about control. If you have control of your money then the government doesn't have control of you.

Some employers automatically enroll new employees in the company
401(k) plan. The new employee can opt out, but many aren't aware
that they've even been enrolled. Their rationale for this is that
they know better than the employee what he should do with his money.
We all know what's wrong with nanny government: it's tyranny. So is
an employer who tells you how to use your money. What is the
difference, after all, between an employer deciding for you that
you need a 401(k) account and secretly signing you up, or your bank
deciding that you need an IRA and taking money out of your checking
account to fund it? The only difference is whether they do the
unauthorized transaction before or after you cash your paycheck.

Framks spreadsheet calculations are true only if he was one of the few to opt out of SS and invest on his own. It everyone had done it, prices would have risen, resulting in a lower return than historically occured.

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